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"Leadership development is absolutely critical and it’s critical because we are a growing organization and because the environments we work in are very diverse and because we have people move within those and the environment in which we operate is very, very fast changing at times. So it is very critical that we have people that can be leaders who can step up and react to those different circumstances.When we were looking for what to do and who to help us with this program, yes, we went to the Refinery because we were looking for leading edge leadership training and the Refinery helps us. For a very small organization they [the Refinery] have a number of very, very unique people who are very talented. And working with people and doing it a coaching and a mentoring way without actually being out there (you know) kind of teaching and they are very, very constructive with what they do. The number of people that they have that are very good in such a small organization continues to surprise me and I am quite delighted with the fact that that’s the way they are." (Interviewer) Is this a long-term relationship? "I think it has to be, they are so good, that I don’t think I would want to be doing this with anyone else."